{"id":428,"date":"2010-02-27T15:52:56","date_gmt":"2010-02-27T13:52:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/?p=428"},"modified":"2017-01-10T11:42:55","modified_gmt":"2017-01-10T09:42:55","slug":"estrangers-renfe-problemes-catalunya-immigracio","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/estrangers-renfe-problemes-catalunya-immigracio\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Extranjero&#8221; no \u00e9s un insult i la immigraci\u00f3 no ha de ser un problema (Hist\u00f2ries de la renfe)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/02\/muralles-barcelona.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-435\" style=\"border: 10px solid white;\" title=\"Muralles barcelona al Flickr de Blai Server\" src=\"http:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/02\/muralles-barcelona.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"137\" height=\"180\" \/><\/a>Aquesta \u00e9s la hist\u00f2ria del que em va passar divendres 26 de febrer al vespre en un tren de la Renfe direcci\u00f3 Vic. En aquest apunt tamb\u00e9 he volgut incloure els resultats del Bar\u00f2metre d&#8217;Opini\u00f3 Pol\u00edtica del Centre d&#8217;Estudis d&#8217;Opini\u00f3\u00a0sobre els principals problemes que t\u00e9 actualment Catalunya.<\/strong><\/p>\n<div><strong>Els principals problemes de Catalunya<\/strong><\/div>\n<p>El Bar\u00f2metre d&#8217;Opini\u00f3 Pol\u00edtica (BOP) \u00e9s una enquesta telef\u00f2nica a la poblaci\u00f3 catalana de 18 i m\u00e9s anys resident a Catalunya. A la <a href=\"http:\/\/ceo.gencat.cat\/ceop\/AppJava\/pages\/home\/fitxaEstudi.html?colId=2488&amp;lastTitle=Bar%F2metre+d%27Opini%F3+Pol%EDtica+%28BOP%29.+Febrer+2010\">enquesta realitzada aquest Febrer de 2010<\/a>, el resultats a la pregunta &#8220;<em>En la seva opini\u00f3, quins creu que s\u00f3n els principals problemes que t\u00e9 actualment Catalunya?<\/em>&#8221; han sigut:<\/p>\n<table>\n<thead>\n<tr>\n<th>Resposta<\/th>\n<th>Percentatge<\/th>\n<th>Freq\u00fc\u00e8ncies<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<\/thead>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td>Atur i precarietat laboral<\/td>\n<td>69,5<\/td>\n<td>1389<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Immigraci\u00f3<\/td>\n<td>29,8<\/td>\n<td>597<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Funcionament de l&#8217;economia<\/td>\n<td>24,9<\/td>\n<td>498<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Insatisfacci\u00f3 amb la pol\u00edtica<\/td>\n<td>22,8<\/td>\n<td>457<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Relacions Catalunya-Espanya<\/td>\n<td>11,1<\/td>\n<td>221<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Inseguretat ciutadana<\/td>\n<td>10,3<\/td>\n<td>205<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Millorar pol\u00edtiques socials<\/td>\n<td>5,8<\/td>\n<td>116<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Educaci\u00f3-cultura-investigaci\u00f3<\/td>\n<td>5,3<\/td>\n<td>106<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Manca d&#8217;infraestructures i problemes amb el transport<\/td>\n<td>5,2<\/td>\n<td>104<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Sanitat<\/td>\n<td>4,8<\/td>\n<td>95<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Acc\u00e9s a l&#8217;habitatge<\/td>\n<td>4,6<\/td>\n<td>92<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Excessiva pressi\u00f3 fiscal<\/td>\n<td>3,9<\/td>\n<td>78<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Serveis deficients i males instal\u00b7lacions p\u00fabliques<\/td>\n<td>2,7<\/td>\n<td>53<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Sistema de finan\u00e7ament de Catalunya<\/td>\n<td>2,6<\/td>\n<td>52<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Crisi identitat catalana<\/td>\n<td>2,2<\/td>\n<td>44<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Incivisme i viol\u00e8ncia<\/td>\n<td>2,0<\/td>\n<td>39<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Baix nivell salarial<\/td>\n<td>1,4<\/td>\n<td>29<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Altres<\/td>\n<td>2,5<\/td>\n<td>50<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Cap problema<\/td>\n<td>0,6<\/td>\n<td>11<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>No ho sap<\/td>\n<td>1,8<\/td>\n<td>37<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>No contesta<\/td>\n<td>0,0<\/td>\n<td>0<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><em>Aquestes dades tenen un marge d\u2019error per al conjunt de la mostra de \u00b1 2\u201974%, per a un nivell de<br \/>\nconfian\u00e7a del 95\u20195%.<\/em><\/p>\n<div><strong>Hist\u00f2ria de la Renfe<\/strong><\/div>\n<div>Un &#8220;extranjero&#8221; borratxo, fumat o drogat puja al tren i xoca amb diferents passatgers, tot dient paraulotes. Una dona tracta de que s&#8217;adoni del seu comportament. A aquesta dona li direm &#8220;protagonista&#8221;.\u00a0La cosa ha anat aix\u00ed.<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div>&#8211; Chico, tu crees que estas son maneras. Vete de aqu\u00ed que estas molestando. &#8211; Deia &#8220;protagonista&#8221; amb una expressi\u00f3 agressiva, mentre jo pensava &#8220;ja la tenim liada&#8221;.<\/div>\n<div>&#8211;\u00a0A mi no me dices nada &#8211; Responia &#8220;extranjero&#8221; endavant i enrere ben esp\u00e8s.<\/div>\n<div>&#8211; Escucha no puedes venir aqu\u00ed y molestar a la gente. &#8211; Continuava &#8220;protagonista&#8221; amb voluntat d&#8217;arreglar la situaci\u00f3. Ara ja m&#8217;havia ensumat cap on aniria la cosa.<\/div>\n<div>&#8211; \u00a1Jodeme! Yo voy por d\u00f3nde quiero. &#8211; Desafiava el &#8220;extranjero&#8221; adonant-se de que anava la cosa.<\/div>\n<div>&#8211; Estas de broma, eso es de muy mal gusto&#8230; &#8211; El noi es queda perplex, per\u00f2 la &#8220;protagonista&#8221; continua i aqu\u00ed es quan comen\u00e7a la festa\u00a0&#8211; Tenias que ser extranjero.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div>Abans de passar a l&#8217;altre vag\u00f3, &#8220;extranjero&#8221; deia un &#8220;Dejame en paz&#8221; i ens desapareix. Qui no ens deixa tranquils \u00e9s la &#8220;protagonista&#8221;. Aquesta dona tota indignada torna al seu lloc i es posa a xerrar en veu exaltada amb 2 persones que tenia al seus seients.<\/div>\n<blockquote><p>&#8211; Esto pasa por que vienen aqu\u00ed y la gente los apoya. &#8211; Comenta la &#8220;protagonista&#8221;.<br \/>\n&#8211; Adem\u00e1s siempre tienen que ser extranjeros. &#8211; Continua una dona.<br \/>\n&#8211; No se debe generalizar &#8211; Interrompeix afegint-se una <em>dona estrangera<\/em> i jo mentrestant callo i escolto.<br \/>\n&#8211; Los extranjeros\u00a0tienen ayudas cuando los de aqu\u00ed las necesitan m\u00e1s. &#8211; Diu l&#8217;home ignorant l&#8217;anterior comentari, mentre la &#8220;protagonista&#8221; gesticula afirmativament.<br \/>\n&#8211; Despu\u00e9s te dicen que eres racista &#8211; Remata &#8220;protagonista&#8221; responent als 2 companys de discurs i que tothom pot sentir.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Situaci\u00f3 al vag\u00f3<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>La resta del vag\u00f3 callat. Els 3 continuen una estona m\u00e9s xerrant amb afirmacions del mateix estil.<\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-style: normal;\">La &#8220;protagonista&#8221; no volia resoldre un problema, volia desfogar-se i va explotar, tenia ganes de guerra i que tothom estigues amb ella. Va exagerar les coses i amb el seu petit grup van continuar &#8220;afegint llenya al foc&#8221;.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong> Resultat de la hist\u00f2ria<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Finalment, he saltat. Viatjar molt i tenir i haver tingut amics i familiars a l&#8217;estranger em fa veure les coses d&#8217;una certa manera.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8211; Extranjero no es un insulto. &#8211; Replico jo als 3 guerrers.<br \/>\n&#8211; \u00bfTu has visto lo que le ha dicho? &#8211; Em replica l&#8217;home.<br \/>\n&#8211; C\u00f3mo si no hubiera gente de aqu\u00ed que molesta. Se puede criticar a las personas no hace falta criticar a los extranjeros. &#8211; Confirmo jo.<br \/>\n&#8211; Tu no sabes ni de que hablamos, estamos hablando los 3 &#8211; Em fa notar &#8220;protagonista&#8221; la meva falta de comportament.<br \/>\n&#8211; Perdona pero con lo que hab\u00e9is dicho estoy indignado.\u00a0Si fueras extrangero en otro pa\u00eds no te gustaria que te pusieran en el mismo saco. &#8211; Remato jo.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>A partir d&#8217;aqu\u00ed, continuen parlant entre ells en el mateix to i jo em canvio de vag\u00f3 per no sentir-los. Curiosament, em trobo &#8220;extranjero&#8221; al vag\u00f3 on s\u00f3c i tot i que li dic &#8220;Podr\u00edas disculparte&#8221; resta assegut totalment absort de tot.<\/p>\n<p>Jo comen\u00e7o a escriure aquest apunt al port\u00e0til i quan arribo a casa el paso aqu\u00ed, avui el reviso i hi afegeixo el v\u00eddeo de &#8220;Dona estrangera&#8221; del grup Manel.<\/p>\n<p><object width=\"425\" height=\"344\" classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\" \/><param name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/ySyN2RiRm38&amp;hl=es_ES&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0\" \/><param name=\"allowfullscreen\" value=\"true\" \/><embed type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"425\" height=\"344\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/ySyN2RiRm38&amp;hl=es_ES&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0\" allowscriptaccess=\"always\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" \/><\/object><\/p>\n<p>De fet penso que els hi podria haver dit que Messi i Cristiano Ronaldo tamb\u00e9 s\u00f3n &#8220;extranjeros&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I tu, quins creus que s\u00f3n els principals problemes que t\u00e9 actualment Catalunya? <\/strong><a href=\"#comments\">Comenta<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><em>Nota: La foto que he posat a l&#8217;inici es per mostrar una de les coses que realment avui en dia no serveixen de gaire: Les muralles medievals. 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