{"id":643,"date":"2012-02-22T14:13:14","date_gmt":"2012-02-22T14:13:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/?p=643"},"modified":"2015-06-08T10:27:49","modified_gmt":"2015-06-08T08:27:49","slug":"horaris-rodalies-catalunya-increibles","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/horaris-rodalies-catalunya-increibles\/","title":{"rendered":"Sorpresa als horaris de Rodalies: \u00c9s m\u00e9s r\u00e0pid anar m\u00e9s lluny i tornar"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong><strong>Normalment\u00a0esperaries\u00a0el seg\u00fcent tren que para a la teva estaci\u00f3, oi? Doncs a<\/strong>rribaries abans passant-te d&#8217;estaci\u00f3 amb un tren semidirecte i fent mitja volta amb el\u00a0seg\u00fcent\u00a0que torni en direcci\u00f3 contraria<\/strong>.\u00a0Sembla incre\u00efble, per\u00f2 \u00e9s aix\u00ed, ara ho veur\u00e0s.<\/p>\n<p>Posa&#8217;t per cas que aquesta tarda vols anar amb el Rodalies de Catalunya (L\u00ednia\u00a0R3 de Renfe) que surt a les 19:26 de Pla\u00e7a Catalunya direcci\u00f3 a Aiguafreda, St. Mart\u00ed de Centelles, els Hostalets de Baleny\u00e0, Centelles, St. Miquel de Baleny\u00e0, Taradell, Tona o Seva.<\/p>\n<p>Has perdut el tren. Es veu que has hagut de deixar passar trens plens en el transbord per obres a la linia de Av. Tibidabo de FGC.<\/p>\n<p>Qu\u00e8 fas?<\/p>\n<p>Si el que vols \u00e9s arribar el m\u00e9s aviat possible no hauries d&#8217;esperar el seg\u00fcent tren que para a la teva estaci\u00f3, el que hauries de fer \u00e9s passar-la de llarg agafant el\u00a0pr\u00f2xim\u00a0semidirecte a Vic. Llavors, un cop a Vic, faries transbord per agafar el tren que et tornaria cap a la teva estaci\u00f3.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Veiem-ho en el cas de Sant Mart\u00ed de Centelles.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/mapa-trens-barcelona3.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-678\" title=\"mapa-trens-barcelona\" src=\"http:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/mapa-trens-barcelona3.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"793\" height=\"460\" srcset=\"https:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/mapa-trens-barcelona3.png 793w, https:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/mapa-trens-barcelona3-300x174.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 793px) 100vw, 793px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Aquests s\u00f3n els horaris de Barcelona a St. Mart\u00ed de Centelles:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/horaris-rodalies-barcelona-stmarti2.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-650\" title=\"horaris-rodalies-barcelona-stmarti\" src=\"http:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/horaris-rodalies-barcelona-stmarti2.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"590\" height=\"465\" srcset=\"https:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/horaris-rodalies-barcelona-stmarti2.png 590w, https:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/horaris-rodalies-barcelona-stmarti2-300x236.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 590px) 100vw, 590px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>He marcat 2 trens. Com pots veure, si perds el tren que surt a les 19:26 hauries d&#8217;esperar 1h 42 minuts, fins a les 21:08, per sortir amb el seg\u00fcent tren que arriba a les 22:11 a\u00a0St. Mart\u00ed de Centelles.<\/p>\n<p>D&#8217;acord, memoritza aquesta hora: <strong>Arribaries a les 22:11 a St. Mart\u00ed de Centelles.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ara imagina&#8217;t que un amic et proposa d&#8217;anar fins a Vic i llavors fer transbord per tornar a la teva estaci\u00f3.<\/p>\n<p>Qu\u00e8 li dius?<\/p>\n<p>Aquests s\u00f3n els horaris de Barcelona a Vic:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/horaris-rodalies-barcelona-vic1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-651\" title=\"horaris-rodalies-barcelona-vic\" src=\"http:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/horaris-rodalies-barcelona-vic1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"588\" height=\"659\" srcset=\"https:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/horaris-rodalies-barcelona-vic1.png 588w, https:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/horaris-rodalies-barcelona-vic1-267x300.png 267w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 588px) 100vw, 588px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>He marcat 3 trens. Et diu d&#8217;agafar\u00a0el tren semidirecte que surt a les 20:17 de Barcelona i arriba a Vic a les 21:24.<\/p>\n<p>Aquests s\u00f3n els horaris de Vic a St. Mart\u00ed de Centelles.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/horaris-rodalies-vic-aiguafreda.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-652\" title=\"horaris-rodalies-vic-aiguafreda\" src=\"http:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/horaris-rodalies-vic-aiguafreda.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"593\" height=\"495\" srcset=\"https:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/horaris-rodalies-vic-aiguafreda.png 593w, https:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/horaris-rodalies-vic-aiguafreda-300x250.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 593px) 100vw, 593px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Fixa&#8217;t en el tren que he marcat.<\/p>\n<p>Li dius que s\u00ed?\u00a0A quina hora haviem dit que arribaves si esperaves el seg\u00fcent tren que para a la teva estaci\u00f3?<\/p>\n<p>Doncs b\u00e9, <strong>anant fins a Vic i agafant-ne un de tornada cap a St. Mart\u00ed de Centelles arribaries a les 22:00<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Com? Doncs s\u00ed, d&#8217;aquesta manera arribaries 11 minuts abans.<\/p>\n<p>Quan el 2008 el tripartit, amb Joan Saura d&#8217;Iniciativa i Quim Nadal de PSC, va anunciar que la limitaci\u00f3 variable a l&#8217;entrada de les autopistes de Barcelona podria arribar per sota dels 60 quil\u00f2metres per hora, se&#8217;m va quedar\u00a0gravada\u00a0al cervell una frase que van dir des de Converg\u00e8ncia i Uni\u00f3:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Per anar tan &#8216;a pas de tortuga&#8217;, molts preferiran agafar el patinet abans que el cotxe.&#8221;<br \/>\nArtur Mas<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Dit aix\u00f2, fem un petit\u00a0c\u00e0lcul\u00a0de\u00a0quil\u00f2metres per hora en el cas exposat:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Entre l&#8217;estaci\u00f3 de St. Mart\u00ed de Centelles i Pla\u00e7a Catalunya hi ha aproximadament una\u00a0<a title=\"Obre-ho la ruta de Pla\u00e7a Catalunya a St. Mart\u00ed al Google Maps\" href=\"http:\/\/g.co\/maps\/jse6t\" target=\"_blank\">dist\u00e0ncia de 50,2 km<\/a> per carretera.<\/li>\n<li>Si s\u00f3n les 19:27 i esperes el\u00a0seg\u00fcent\u00a0tren, el teu viatge en transport p\u00fablic fins a St. Mart\u00ed de Centelles\u00a0<strong>duraria 2h 45min.<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>50,20 Km \/ 2h 45min = <strong>Velocitat de 18,255 km\/h.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>La conclusi\u00f3 seria que qualsevol transport que et permeti viatjar 50,20 km a m\u00e9s de 18,255 km\/h\u00a0seria una alternativa m\u00e9s efica\u00e7 que esperar el seg\u00fcent tren.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Crec que hi hem de fer alguna cosa.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Jo he enviat aquest escrit\u00a0al\u00a0<a title=\"Demana que garanteixin una freq\u00fcencia suficient a totes les estacions\" href=\"http:\/\/www.fomento.gob.es\/MFOM\/LANG_CASTELLANO\/correoMinisterio.htm\" target=\"_blank\">formulari de\u00a0sugger\u00e8ncies\u00a0del Ministeri de Foment<\/a>\u00a0i al\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/ovt.gencat.cat\/gsitfc\/AppJava\/conqxs\/conqxs.do?set-locale=ca_ES&amp;reqCodeChangeLanguage=newCqs&amp;topicLevel1.id=1418\" target=\"_blank\">formulari de\u00a0consultes, queixes i suggeriments del departament de Territori i Sostenibilitat<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Benvolguts:<\/p>\n<p>Escric en resposta a una situaci\u00f3 sorprenent en els horaris de Rodalies de Catalunya.\u00a0El cas fa refer\u00e8ncia a les estacions on no paren els trens semidirectes de les zones 4 i 5 de la\u00a0l\u00ednia\u00a0R3 de\u00a0Renfe.<\/p>\n<p>Es veu que \u00e9s m\u00e9s r\u00e0pid anar fins a Vic i agafar un tren de tornada que no pas esperar el seg\u00fcent tren que para en aquestes estacions. (El cas est\u00e0 detallat a\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/horaris-rodalies-catalunya-increibles\">http:\/\/elnostreraco.com\/blog\/horaris-rodalies-catalunya-increibles<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p>Fent c\u00e0lculs, qualsevol transport que vagi a m\u00e9s de 18,255 km\/h\u00a0seria m\u00e9s efica\u00e7 que esperar el seg\u00fcent tren fins a aquestes estacions.<\/p>\n<p>Vull fer notar que en els horaris anteriors aquesta situaci\u00f3 era una mica millor, i que aquesta situaci\u00f3 ha empitjorat amb els actuals horaris.<\/p>\n<p>Considero que aix\u00f2 no \u00e9s un servei de prou qualitat i demanaria que en\u00a0f\u00e9ssiu\u00a0alguna cosa al respecte.<\/p>\n<p>En tot cas, m&#8217;agradaria que\u00a0tingu\u00e9ssiu\u00a0en compte aquesta situaci\u00f3 a l&#8217;hora de fixar els horaris i me&#8217;n\u00a0inform\u00e9ssiu degudament.<\/p>\n<p>Moltes gr\u00e0cies,<\/p>\n<p>Jordi Rosell<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Espero que ho llegeixin els senyors i senyores del Departament de Territori i Sostenibilitat: Llu\u00eds Recoder (Conseller), Ricard Font Hereu (Direcci\u00f3 General de Transports i Mobilitat), Francesc Dami\u00e0 Calvet (Secretari de Territori i Mobilitat i President Executiu ATM) , etc. Com tamb\u00e9\u00a0els senyors i senyores del Ministeri de Foment: Ana Pastor (Ministra), Manuel Ni\u00f1o Gonz\u00e1lez (Director general de Ferrocarrils), Julio G\u00f3mez-Pomar Rodr\u00edguez (President de RENFE-Operadora), Enrique Verdeguer Puig (President de ADIF), etc.<\/p>\n<p>I tu qu\u00e9 els hi dir\u00e0s?<\/p>\n<p>Actualitzaci\u00f3 24 febrer:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>En els horaris de la #rod3 he vist que aix\u00f2 encara \u00e9s pitjor. Fent aix\u00f2 s&#8217;arriba 1min abans al figar\u00f3 anant amb semidirecte fins a Vic i tornant que no pasesperant el seguent tren que para a el Figar\u00f3.<\/li>\n<li>A la #rod4 direcci\u00f3 Manresa les estacions on no paren els semidirectes tenen 1 tren aproximadament cada hora fins a les 20:25. Llavors nom\u00e9s poden esperar 1h 30min per agafar l&#8217;\u00faltim tren que para a la seva estaci\u00f3 ja que no hi ha m\u00e9s trens per tornar enrrere.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Actualitzaci\u00f3 4 de mar\u00e7<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Em contesten a\u00a018\/04\/2012.<br \/>\n<blockquote><p>Benvolgut senyor Rosell,<\/p>\n<p>De primer, us comuniquem que s&#8217;ha notificat la vostra queixa al responsable de la l\u00ednia.Pel que fa al tema que ens plantegeu, us fem avinent que la programaci\u00f3 dels horaris de trens la realitza personal t\u00e8cnic atenent a diferents estudis, i tenint en compte factors com s\u00f3n l&#8217;aflu\u00e8ncia de viatgers, el tr\u00e0nsit que hi ha a la l\u00ednia, els recursos disponibles, la infraestructura, etc.. La finalitat \u00e9s programar els horaris que poden proporcionar el millor servei a un major nombre d&#8217;usuaris.<\/p>\n<p>D&#8217;altra banda, qualsevol plantejament de millora dels temps de viatge en la l\u00ednia R3 he de passar per la necessitat de millorar la infraestructura per poder superar les limitacions que imposa la gesti\u00f3 de la circulaci\u00f3 en el tram de via \u00fanica.<\/p>\n<p>En aquest sentit, dins del conjunt d&#8217;accions que preveu el Pla de Rodalies per a Barcelona en el per\u00edode 2012-2016, es contempla la duplicaci\u00f3 de la via en el tram Montcada-Bifurcaci\u00f3-la Garriga i la substituci\u00f3 del sistema de senyalitzaci\u00f3 (ERTMS) a la l\u00ednia. Des de la Generalitat de Catalunya s&#8217;estan fent gestions per aconseguir que el Ministeri de Foment faci les inversions necess\u00e0ries.<\/p>\n<p>Atentament,<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/li>\n<li>He obert una nova sol\u00b7licitud 04\/05\/2012:<cite><cite><br \/>\n<\/cite><\/cite><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>M&#8217;agradaria poder tenir acc\u00e9s als estudis realitzats per a la programaci\u00f3 dels horaris de trens.Voldria saber les dades concretes d&#8217;aflu\u00e8ncia de viatgers, de tr\u00e0nsit que hi ha a la l\u00ednia, de recursos disponibles, de infraestructura, etc.<\/p>\n<p>Necessitaria saber que significa &#8220;el millor servei a un major nombre d&#8217;usuaris&#8221; en forma d&#8217;indicadors com podrien ser la relaci\u00f3 frecuencia per euros\/passatger etc<\/p>\n<p>Moltes gr\u00e0cies,<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/li>\n<li>La seva resposta a 15\/06\/2012:<br \/>\n<blockquote><p>Benvolgut\/da Senyor\/a,Us fem avinent que lamentablement no us podem facilitar la informaci\u00f3 que ens sol\u00b7liciteu.<\/p>\n<p>Atentament,<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Actualitzaci\u00f3 2015: Curiositat que m&#8217;he trobat<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"ca\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"es\">\u00c9s m\u00e9s econ\u00f2mic canviar-se el nom que corregir-lo en un bitllet d&#8217;avi\u00f3 <a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/kl16pl2tle\">http:\/\/t.co\/kl16pl2tle<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Jordi Rosell (@jrosell) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/jrosell\/status\/607825836293689344\">June 8, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" async=\"\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Normalment\u00a0esperaries\u00a0el seg\u00fcent tren que para a la teva estaci\u00f3, oi? 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